Feel free to refer to the documentary or bring in information you've found on your own; the goal is to have a discussion--to help each other challenge your thoughts on this matter and form your own opinions. Remember, respectful disagreement is often more fruitful than encouraging agreement when forming your opinions on topics.
The first person in your group to post will start the thread for your group. That person will explain why your group's article is relevant as a counterargument and why it is credible (this will probably be done in class, so this person will merely have to type it up). Second, everyone read it carefully, taking notes. Third, discuss the questions that it brings up, and fourth, describe your reaction. One-Four are due by Tuesday at noon. Respond to at least two other posts within your group by class time on Wednesday.
Feel free to refer to the documentary or bring in information you've found on your own; the goal is to have a discussion--to help each other challenge your thoughts on this matter and form your own opinions. Remember, respectful disagreement is often more fruitful than encouraging agreement when forming your opinions on topics.
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Alex Stokesberry
9/23/2013 04:56:35 am
http://cochlearimplantonline.com/site/deaf-parents-cochlear-implant-story/
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Leah Talkov
9/23/2013 02:47:29 pm
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Aaron Sleasman
9/24/2013 08:19:14 am
The mother had a negative opinion of CIs her entire life. It was only when she had a deaf child did she finally have a second look at the positives and negatives of the implants. She understood the positive aspects of being deaf, as she had lived a deaf person her entire life. The mother had to take an unbiased look at the situation. She noted: the opinion of the other mother who had chosen to give her child the CI, the opinion of the people who agreed with her decision, and the people who respectfully disagreed. I think that she was in the right to ignore the people who were passionately against her decision, because those people’s opinions are based by their emotions, and this was not a decision to be made by emotion.
Taylor Wintler
9/24/2013 12:05:09 pm
In response to your question raised about deaf culture changing, the only constant thing in the world is change. Everything always evolves and changes so I believe that the deaf culture should also evolve. The culture can evolve technologically with their CI or changes in ASL but they will forever be a culture for their slight difference among the rest of the world.
Melissa Nelsen
9/24/2013 03:55:47 pm
Leah I completely agree with you on the fact of will the child be able to master either or both when they are trying to learn two completely different languages at such an age. Yes the child could for sure learn both yet could they be completely 100% fluent in them when other kids don't even need to think twice at just a little bit older age (5) what they are speaking or for deaf children, signing.
Taylor Wintler
9/24/2013 03:29:50 am
Questions: Was the child successful with his cochlear implant because his parents were so involved in the death community and his mom was Deaf educator?
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Aaron Sleasman
9/24/2013 08:38:59 am
As Alec said the success for the child is something that must be determined over the course of a lifetime. I agree with your optimism when you say that the child is successful. I can’t say I agree with your commentary on how the intelligence level will affect the child’s immersion into the two opposing cultures as he will mature. Although intelligence is an extremely subjective human trait, and some people are noticeably better at certain things than others, communication is something that all humans have in common. Communication is something that all people will constantly be improving as they travel through life, so I don’t think that the intelligence level of the particular child will have much of a drastic effect on their ability to adapt to having two different methods of communication.
Leah Talkov
9/24/2013 11:18:23 am
I agree that the child probably had success due to the fact that his parents were very supportive considering his speaking ability, but I think I disagree that if someone is intelligent that they will have an easier time becoming bilingual. When you are a child, your views and success are highly dependent on the influences around you. I think that depending on how supportive your family is and what help you get with learning (how many classes you go to, what community you're put in, etc) is what will ultimately determine how successful a child will be at becoming bilingual in sign language and speech.
Alec Temple
9/24/2013 05:25:36 am
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Leah Talkov
9/24/2013 11:14:58 am
I definitely agree with this! The mother was engrossed in both the hearing and the deaf community, so she was more willing to go for the cochlear implant. This is contrary to what the parents from Sound and Fury felt, because they were so engrossed in one world. The mother from this article sounded different from the norm and I appreciate your statistic as it made things a little clearer as to why that was. I also believe that even though it seemed a little odd that she was very into the implant as a deaf mother, that it was the right decision for her to allow her child to get a cochlear implant pretty early on.
Taylor Wintler
9/24/2013 12:00:49 pm
I agree as well, he kid's success has a lot to do with the mom's deaf experience. Since she is so active in deaf education I think she became more ignorant toward to true culture of deaf people. Perhaps she is more into the logistics of teaching deaf people sign language instead of appreciating the calmness and sense of unity that comes with a group of deaf people. Therefor maybe she was more open to the CI without taking into consideration true deaf culture?
Aaron Sleasman
9/24/2013 08:01:12 am
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Alex Stokesberry
9/25/2013 03:17:59 am
It seems that the presence of deaf children brings out the extremes in the argument over CIs. That when a parent has to decide whether their child should hear or not is such a big decision that I almost don't trust a parent that is unsure. The parent should be completely convinced of their decision at the least and should have a strong stance about it.
Allina Cummins
9/23/2013 06:09:26 am
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3401162/
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Anthony Harper
9/23/2013 12:01:56 pm
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Cole Garcia
9/24/2013 02:31:59 pm
You make a good point about the dangers of the medication, and if it could still be in the development stage. This also raises so ethical questions as well, where do doctors draw the line when it comes to if the side effects are really worth it? Clearly thew patient was in so much pain that they had to drop the dosage, but what if it was something more permanent that couldn't be cured by simply lowering the dosage? Another great point about the fact that it could just work uniquely on him, I would like to see if Kris would be open to this medication, or if she is content living her lifestyle the way she wants to, without being influenced by a life-altering drug.
Cole Garcia
9/24/2013 04:06:25 am
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Allina Cummins
9/25/2013 04:05:18 am
You bring up the concept of quality of life, which is something that I didn't directly consider immediately. In general, western medicine and the severity that it can have often lower a patient's quality of life, especially by way if side effects. Kris' method, however, through dietary means, allowed her to still be happy and go on with parts of her life while maintaining and forming friendships and relationships. But there were some forms of a lowering in her quality of life. She basically say that she was chained to the kitchen for up to 6 hours a day before switching to totally raw foods, and even then, she became so sick of it that it changed her emotions and personality entirely. Obviously any cancer patient's quality of life will be lessened no matter the method of treatment, but it should ultimately be the patient's choice as to which they prefer- all options should be presented.
Levi Pereira
9/25/2013 04:20:09 am
I personally think that Kristin made the right decision in the end, not only cause she cured her cancer but changed so many aspects of her life. This documentary started out as her trying to find a cure for cancer but turned into so many beneficial things. She developed habits that will benefit her for the rest of her life. The things such as diet and doing things for yourself mentally are monumental. I feel that this was a much better choice than laying in a hospital bed and having doctors pump medicine into your body.
Jack Allenbaugh
9/24/2013 04:50:27 am
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Anthony Harper
9/24/2013 07:58:39 am
Now that I read your reaction it made me think about some of the things that you brought up. I also am kind of curious as to if he would rather have taken an alternative to the medication he was given because the side-effects weren't very pleasing it seemed like. I also like how you were thinking about how many other patients have tried to use an alternative, natural, way of healing like Kris did. That would be pretty cool to find a statistic for if there were any out there for how often the natural alternatives actually work with these patients.
Lauren Cole
9/24/2013 04:20:24 pm
I also question whether or not this type of treatment was the best idea rather than a natural healing process similar to Kris'. However, I counter this question with the idea that, maybe in the long run, the painful side effects of the medicine was worth being able to shrink the man's tumors. Kris was able to stabilize hers, but they never actually decreased in size. In fact, they grew slightly throughout the documentary. Perhaps for this man, his symptoms before undergoing treatment were more bothersome in the long run than the side effects of treatment. It's probably just a matter or personal opinion, but maybe this man chose this more painful treatment in order to really help him heal for the long run.
Cole Garcia
9/25/2013 03:20:48 am
Lauren I agree with your point about the possibility of the medical treatment being more detrimental to the long term health of the subject, then a more naturalistic approach. Also, if you think about it, not much information is known about this man in the study besides that he was also a diabetic. Meaning that this man could have gone through the entire medical process of getting rid of his cancer thanks to medication, when he would still be at risk from dying of diabetes or another un-related illness.
Allina Cummins
9/25/2013 03:58:48 am
The question of consistency is definitely a reasonable one. Because this disease is so rare and variable, how can one method really be deemed more effective than another? Obviously, both Kris and the man were experiencing this disease in very different ways that led to their individual medical approaches, but what else could have attributed to these differences? The point about the side effects and if they're really worth it is a solid one. However, when you think of cancer patients, most people immediately see people who have been through chemo and radiation, two processes that have severe and noticeable side effects such as hair loss, weakness, and making people unhealthy in various other ways.
Allina Cummins
9/23/2013 06:35:20 am
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Anthony Harper
9/23/2013 12:10:03 pm
Allina, I also thought about whether or not this drug, or any other drug, was proposed to Kris. I mean you think it would've been being that there are so few subjects for research, who knows maybe it would've helped Kris. I didn't even think about the medicine they gave this man as being similar to the medicine they give other cancer patients, it makes me even more curious as to why they didn't give her anything even though her tumors were growing slightly.
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Lauren Cole
9/23/2013 06:41:55 pm
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Lauren Cole
9/24/2013 04:33:46 pm
Anthony, I have similar questions, but then I think about how Kris performed extremely extensive research on what kind of treatments were available to her. I think that because her symptoms from the tumors themselves were so tolerable that they didn't want to risk giving her any kind of medicinal treatment for fear of decreasing her quality of life. On the other hand, this man suffered from chest pains that were already putting him in an unfavorable situation. Therefore, in order to improve his long-term health, he was offered the option to be treated in a more painful manner than Kris chose to. Had Kris' tumors continued to grow at a more rapid rate, I think perhaps this treatment option or one similar could have become available to her.
Christina Polito
9/23/2013 07:21:05 am
Our article is entitled "Chemotherapy Versus Death by Cancer" published by Science-Based Medicine, written by David Gorski. David Gorski is a surgical oncologist at a cancer institute, so it is safe to say that he is a credible source on the subject of cancer and cancer treatment. The article serves as a counterargument to an aspect of the film because it argues the benefit of chemotherapy above all else, especially alternative medicine or "alternative cancer cures (ACC)" (Gorksi).
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Christina Polito
9/23/2013 08:51:46 am
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Bailey Nurmia
9/24/2013 01:29:15 am
Christina, I too was wondering about your second question. In the article they talk a lot about how at first it feels good but then you feel the full affect of your untreated cancer, so I too was wondering, well at that point do people realize they made a mistake and switch back to the more medical and science based approach? I think that some might, but I think also what might happen is that it is too late to have the same odds of riding it that you would have had if you kept with chemo in the first place.
Maddie Muscha
9/24/2013 03:05:58 am
I was also curious as to why some patients switch to alternative medicine even when they know the experience won't be very pleasant. I think after watching the 'Crazy Sexy Cancer' documentary, my opinions on cancer treatment have ultimately pointed to how Kris was successful in maintaining a more natural life with a very healthy diet. It is a very difficult lifestyle to switch to considering there are so many other diet options in our society today that involve more than just green foods.
Nate Porter
9/25/2013 03:42:20 am
Christina, I agree with you that people are choosing Alternative medicine, mearly because they are unaware that the chances of any alternative cures have a slim to nothing chance of Curing them. I too would prefer honest treatment even if it was a little harsh, rather than the false hopes of alternative medicine. Chemotherapy is known to all as something horrible that makes people miserable but not as a lifesaver which annoys me. I hope that as people become more and more aware of the good that chemo can do, they will switch to science based medicine
Levi Pereira
9/25/2013 04:31:52 am
After reading this article and seeing the effects that chemo has on people I would still take the natural route before I tried chemo. The effects of chemo seem far worse to me than an alternative medicine. I wouldn't want to battle cancer plus the side effects of chemo. Vomiting and feeling like you are dying do not seem like a good way to fight it. Alternatives have been proven to work in some cases, and they also help you change your life. It usually requires mental discipline, and helps you develop good habits like in Kristin's case. I would much rather take Kristin's journey and find happiness along with a cure, than deal with chemo and possibly having a better chance at living longer, but not as healthy.
Bailey Nurmia
9/24/2013 01:25:52 am
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Christina Polito
9/24/2013 12:08:45 pm
Bailey, I found myself asking a similar question to yours about the across the board use of chemo. Clearly in Kris' case, her doctors felt that chemo would not be an appropriate form of treatment for her cancer, but would the doctor who wrote the article we read have felt the same way? I feel that other than in Kris' case, I personally have not heard of too many people being recommended not to undergo chemotherapy. I have heard of the alternative methods of healthy diet etc to go along with chemo, but I do not believe that I have ever heard of a doctor solely recommending alternative medicine.
Maddie Muscha
9/25/2013 12:34:15 am
I was also wondering if all of the 'dying from cancer' symptoms were common in all patients or just a select number. If these symptoms only appeared in some of the patients, then the person making the decision on what kind of treatment to undergo would have to take his or her chances and wish for the best of luck. If the symptoms were common in all patients or the vast majority, then most people would say opt for chemotherapy because it is less painful and dangerous.
Nate Porter
9/25/2013 03:59:53 am
Bailey i was also wondering If there are any cases in which alternative medicine would actually be more helpful than chemo or radiation. I think that if a patient is terminally ill or very sick than chemo therapy is always the best choice. However with a case like Kris's, where the cancer is slow moving and she is still somewhat healthy maybe there is a chance that Alternative healing would be better than chemo. I feel that it would be hard for a patient to watch the movie and then read this article to make a decision about which path is the best. In the movie, Kris actually does benefit from her healthy lifestyle, but it's important to note that she was actually recommended by her doctor to not start chemo yet. And the article rules out ACC in every way possible, not giving it the slightest chance of at least being better than nothing. They are both good pieces of information but I think patients will need even more to make an un-biased decision.
Maddie Muscha
9/24/2013 03:30:47 am
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Christina Polito
9/24/2013 12:18:10 pm
Maddie, I feel that most doctors probably try to dissuade their patients from ACC treatments, but there will always be patients who want to go find a new doctor and get a second opinion, perhaps in order to hear something they like a little bit better. In the grand scheme of things, doctors can only recommend what they think will be the best for the patient, they cannot make mandates. In the end it is the patients choice what they chose to put their body through, and though it may be to the doctor's dismay, they may choose not to listen to their doctor's recommendation.
Bailey Nurmia
9/25/2013 01:07:42 am
Maddie, I too was wondering about why more patients do not opt for more natural means of treatment, and also wondering about how many do. I know it can't be too many but still, I am curious. I think though that most don't because when you are sick, I at least, would find it very frightening to go against what almost every medical professional must be telling you. I mean these guys have countless experience and education on the matter in which they are advising you, and I think I would be scared to do something different than what they said. And, like Christina said, most doctors and such are going to recommend chemo and the medical norm. 9/23/2013 08:28:48 am
Our group's article is an interview published by PBS Frontline with one of the lead scientific researchers in ADHD, Dr. Russell Barkley. In the passage, Barkley states that the disorder is caused by genetics and neurology, and can be effectively treated to reduce symptoms with medication, not with a change of diet. This interview proves that there is insufficient evidence supporting Tom Naughton's statement in his documentary, Fathead, saying, "Kids who were diagnosed as suffering from ADD have been successfully treated by re-introducing natural saturated fats into their diets. Your brain is made largely of fat." Such a diet may make them feel healthier like any other individual, but there is currently insufficient evidence that shows a significant decrease in their symptom's severity because of their consumption of saturated fats.
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Ellaine Taniguchi
9/23/2013 04:29:29 pm
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Carlee Quiles
9/23/2013 05:19:08 pm
This is a fantastic article! Here is the link if anyone would like it, http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/medicating/interviews/barkley.html
Jessica Peretti
9/24/2013 04:26:20 am
I agree that his openness to new ideas is refreshing. We expect researchers and scientists to close themselves from the world almost. We hold them on a higher pedestal, and immediately think of them as close-minded to the rest of the world, because of their extreme focus to one field.
Carlee Quiles
9/24/2013 09:21:47 am
Ellaine, I really like the question you posed about how many people do not take medication for ADD and choose to use alternative treatments. It would be a very interesting survey to see how many people cope with this disorder. As Jessica stated some may use physical activity. It would be very insightful to be able to analyze alternatives to medication. Maybe there are alternatives that will work better in males than females? This is a great question to expand on.
Ellaine Taniguchi
9/24/2013 12:49:51 pm
Carlee, I really like that you mentioned how Barkley avoided bombarding his audience with information. I was able to read the article so fluidly that I hadn't noticed the lack of extravagant terminology and excessive use of statistics that I usually struggle through with these types of pieces. I think that that can actually distract from the point the speaker is trying to make and I didn't experience that when reading this. Barkley maintained a great balance between establishing credibility as a medical expert, making the text factually sound, and drawing people's attention in.
Bailey Russell
9/24/2013 04:35:39 pm
Elainne. I like your second question. I mean if you think about it, a lot of people are heavily misinformed about ADHD. I have a friend with it and a lot of people accuse her of simply being a drug seeker, a pill popper, who doesn't really need medication, because ADHD isn't that serious. So in response to your question I believe that since this disorder doesn't manifest itself through severe physical or mental handicaps, people have more leeway to criticize it and its forms of treatment.
Jessica Peretti
9/24/2013 04:22:30 am
Questions: I know that some of these are slightly redundant.
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Carlee Quiles
9/24/2013 09:36:52 am
Jessica, I think it is great that some of the questions are redundant. It just shows areas in which the article could have further explained. Or even areas in which we may not have an research yet! If these areas are not in research at this time it may be a great place for individuals to pursue for their research and begin to develop their careers in this field.
Ellaine Taniguchi
9/24/2013 01:08:19 pm
Jessica, I like the last statement you made in your remarks about saturated fats possibly just contributing to ADD symptoms instead of a lack thereof being a cause like Naughton claims. Barkley even admits that while we have a substantial amount of information on the disorder, there is still more to be understood and discovered about ADD. Now that most people have access to the fact that ADD is a genetic disorder, saturated fats do not have to be ruled out of the equation entirely, but could play a different part that we might not entirely understand yet.
Bailey Russell
9/24/2013 04:40:32 pm
Jessica:
Jack Allenbaugh
9/25/2013 04:20:31 am
Jessica, you had some pretty interesting questions and feedback to the article. That story you brought up with the kid on your swim team is cool because it does seem like the swimming was an alternative medicine to his ADD.
Carlee Quiles
9/24/2013 09:33:02 am
Michaela while we were in group yesterday you displayed incredible passion for this topic. It was great to hear your insight on the topic from the view of a future Special Education teacher. This article you found for our group was insightful and well written. I appreciate that it was based in the question and answer format. All the ideas were laid out very clearly in this format.
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Michaela Smith
9/24/2013 11:55:49 am
Jessica, I thought you came up with some really great questions relating to ADD, specifically the first one in regards to how we can change the stigma of ADD/ADHD in our society. And I think one of the key steps is reading more articles like this to gain better knowledge of what the disorder really is. It's really easy to call someone ADD as a joke when they're having a hard time focusing and are all over the place, but as this article demonstrated, there are so many deeper qualities to this disorder that our society in general doesn't recognize. Being respectful of how we refer to individuals with special needs as well as reading up-to-date medical research on disorders such as ADHD helps create strong opportunities for new learning and change.
Michaela Smith
9/24/2013 12:06:53 pm
Oh thank you Carlee, I'm so glad you enjoyed the article. And I completely agree with you and Jessica about there being so much still to know in terms of research about what might help with ADD. It's so exciting that now more than ever people are starting to conduct more experiments on people with ADD and it'll be really interesting to see what the results reveal in the near future.
Jessica Peretti
9/24/2013 02:28:39 pm
Michaela,
Molly Stroosma
9/23/2013 10:11:06 am
Link to article: http://www.kevinmd.com/blog/2013/05/alternative-cancer-therapy-harms-patients.html
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John Tomassi
9/24/2013 02:13:22 am
[Thank you Molly!]
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Molly Stroosma
9/24/2013 05:34:35 am
John,
Joe Virden
9/24/2013 12:56:56 pm
You bring up an interesting point surrounding the connotation of the word "alternative." Whenever I hear alternative I think of a hippie who wants to treat illness with some herbs, when in reality it is anything unproven. So a when a doctor recommends alternative treatment, it could be rooted in science and fact, just be unproven and untested. I think it is interesting how some people react more positively to the idea of alternative medicine, while others have the complete opposite reaction.
Zaine Yzaguirre
9/25/2013 01:14:12 am
You bring up several great topics of debate in your response! I also agree that the definition of "alternative" was a very big element in the article we read. Personally, I never really viewed "alternative" in the way described by Salwitz. I think his definition needs to be advertised more that way patients would understand why medical officials hesitate to prescribe CAM therapy.
Zaine Yzaguirre
9/24/2013 11:46:27 am
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Joe Virden
9/24/2013 12:48:42 pm
I agree with you Zaine that it seems strange that more research has not been done on CAM therapy. That being said Salwitz does explain that a lot of alternative treatments are just the opinion of a single person offering his form of alternative care. I also agree with your statement about chemo. I think it is very hard to get behind a treatment that has such terrible side effects as well as not being very effective.
Molly Stroosma
9/24/2013 02:39:51 pm
I think it is interesting that you bring up the fact that alternative medicine has probably been around much longer than "conventional" medicine. I had never really thought about this point until now and it really makes me curious about societies rules and views on what "conventional" vs "alternative" medicine really are. If what society thinks is an alternative technique has been used by a tribe of Native American for over a hundred years, is that still considered alternative medicine to them, or do they think of it as conventional medicine. Where do we draw the line between alternative and convention, besides the researched facts? If one group of people considers a technique to be alternative, does another consider it to be conventional?
Joe Virden
9/24/2013 12:42:33 pm
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John Tomassi
9/24/2013 04:02:49 pm
Yes, good point with the "counter cultural" draw of "alternative" treatments. The unfortunate distinction is that alternative treatments are not called "alternative" because they are counter cultural, but because they are not part of the body of proven treatments. The misnomer might lead people wrongly down the path of alternative treatments simply to be a hipster.
Zaine Yzaguirre
9/25/2013 01:19:08 am
I agree 100% with your view of people pursuing the idea of being counter cultural. I believe that, similar to how no valid research and data have been collected on alternative medicine, people that chose to use CAM therapy are either ill-informed or desperate. Unfortunately, this desperation for health can lead to further illness as written by Salwitz.
John Tomassi
9/24/2013 04:11:48 pm
Molly,
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9/23/2013 10:32:59 am
http://www.mnn.com/food/healthy-eating/stories/researchers-discover-why-saturated-fats-are-unhealthy
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Alex Cumings
9/23/2013 03:18:20 pm
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Trevor Cote
9/24/2013 04:19:58 am
I must agree with you that I did not like this article. I thought it left a lot of unknown information out of it. I feel like it is very bias and doesn't take a look at both sides, especially the last paragraph which is a vegetarian outlook on it.
Nathan Disque
9/24/2013 03:00:16 pm
Yes, I agree with you both. This article was a little shaky. Not a lot of detail or data to back anything up. However it does bring up some good points about the health issues of saturated facts. Wether or not they are true is definitely still arguable. Obviously a vegetarian's outlook on it will be different than someone who eats meat. So in order to truly tell it would be good to have some raw and credible data
McKenzie Andrew
9/24/2013 04:23:40 pm
I especially agree with the bias that is likely present in this article, the company responsible for the website seems to have particular interests and I believe that they've tailored the article to their target audience for maximum affect of their point.
Nathan Disque
9/23/2013 03:24:59 pm
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Lizz Dimaano
9/23/2013 04:42:25 pm
I find it interesting how you believe saturated fats are not bad for you. Personally, I believe it just depends on how much saturated fat is being taken into the body. Like you said about taking everything in moderation, I believe that is true. However, it can be hard to monitor how much of the saturated fats we are ingesting because not everything is clearly labeled and we can’t just guess how much we eat. In the caveman days, I’m sure the men living didn’t eat as much saturated fats as we do today. Unfortunately, our bodies are no longer accepting these saturated fats in a good way; which is causing the clogs in our cell membranes.
Trevor Cote
9/24/2013 04:23:50 am
I believe that saturated fats eaten at a reasonable amount is not unhealthy, but a diet of just meat can not be healthy. The balanced diet is the way to go, so yes I do agree that saturated fats is not that bad for you. I also agree that the website does not have enough reasonable data to make this claim.
Alex Cumings
9/24/2013 06:24:36 am
Lizz, you made a very valid point when you brought up the fact that in the caveman days people did not eat as much saturated fats as we do today. Fat Head explained that our ancestors and people before civilization ate saturated fats and were fit and healthy. We don't really think about how much saturated fat is actually in some of the food we eat which is why we all of a sudden thought that since they were eaten normally back in the day because it was part of the diet, they are actually good for you when in actuality, they are better in moderation.
Lizz Dimaano
9/23/2013 04:36:53 pm
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Nathan Disque
9/24/2013 03:59:49 am
I do agree that eating too much saturated fats is bad. However i also think that it is the type and quantity you eat that determines its health factor. For example if you are eating the processed saturated fat that you find in a double cheeseburger at McDonalds it is very different than eating a home grown, organically raised cow. I believe the health aspect of saturated fat is all in the situation it comes from
Lizz Dimaano
9/24/2013 04:29:25 am
I like how you gave an example of how the saturated fats in a double cheeseburger at McDonalds is different than a homegrown, organically raised cow. I never really thought of it that way. I wonder if there have been any scientifically proven facts about the different kinds of saturated fats in two different types of meat. You are definitely right about the health aspect depends on the situation.
McKenzie Andrew
9/24/2013 04:28:55 pm
I agree, the chemical processing of a material definitely plays into the health factor of a that food. Like mentioned in Fat Head, the vegetable oils were/are proving to be less ideal than initially thought in terms of health factor because of their processed nature.
Trevor Cote
9/24/2013 04:18:10 am
How does the pill of eicosapentaenoic acid replace eating real saturated fats?
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Alex Cumings
9/24/2013 06:30:56 am
Trevor, I like that you pointed out that the article didn't go into much depth on how to fix the issue of saturated fats in the diet. The article elaborated on how unhealthy and bad for our cells saturated fats are, but then did not give an alternative. This is where the vegetarian bias came in. The only alternative I saw the article provide was a vegetarian diet because a lot of saturated fat comes from fatty meat. What about the people who like eating meat? They could eat lean cuts, but the article went on to say that the fatty meat would probably go to someone with less money to spend, bringing up a whole other issue.
Lizz Dimaano
9/24/2013 11:00:58 am
Trevor and Alex, I really like how you guys both agreed that there wasn't much depth to the article. It's true that saturated fats are bad for us, be we also need them in our body.
Nathan Disque
9/24/2013 02:53:02 pm
Trevor, I did like those questions you had. They didnt go into much detail of anything. The article mostly just explained the bad aspects of saturated fats and didnt show any data. Its hard to say it is a credible source or not because of theses issues.
McKenzie Andrew
9/24/2013 04:02:33 pm
What other effects do c-Src have?
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Conrad Nilsen
9/23/2013 01:51:57 pm
http://scholar.google.com/scholar?hl=en&as_sdt=00,48&q=vegetarianism+health+effects
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Conrad Nilsen
9/23/2013 02:09:58 pm
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Patrick O'Rourke
9/24/2013 01:49:53 pm
I would agree the specific scientific facts support this. It is interesting you did not sense a bias, neither did I. I would also agree with you that this is a does a great job of not leaning to one side or the other.
Meg Maclean
9/24/2013 03:02:51 pm
Conrad,
Patrick O'Rourke
9/23/2013 03:01:36 pm
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Michaela O'Rourke
9/24/2013 09:06:00 am
Going off of what you said regarding your personal experience, I also have loads of friends that are vegetarian. Most have been vegetarian for a couple of years now. We often talk about why they choose to not eat meat, and the answers are all over the place. Many of them started because they heard it would help them lose weight, while others confessed it was simply a result of feeling guilty about eating an animal. Most of them love it saying they have way more energy and are just in a better mood most of the time. My aunt also used to be a vegetarian but had to stop when she got pregnant because according to her doctor, it isn't possible to sustain the duration of a pregnancy while on a vegetarian diet. There was simply no way for her to get enough protein or nutrients she needed without making a few dietary changes.
Conrad Nilsen
9/24/2013 10:55:04 am
Great insight, Patrick. I, too, know a lot of people from high school who tried a vegetarian diet. They said the same thing: they felt that their diet was unsuccessful. My thought after reading your comments is what causes someone to consider their diet, either vegetarian or otherwise, to be successful or not. In other words, what do people look for, or feel for, when grading a diet?
Michaela O'Rourke
9/24/2013 08:34:44 am
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Patrick O'Rourke
9/24/2013 10:17:00 am
Michaela, I would agree with you the article was very informational and I learned a lot. I was also initially confused on what side the article was taking a neutral stance. However when I kept reading I began to understand the point the article was trying to make.
Conrad Nilsen
9/24/2013 10:57:42 am
Michaela, I agree in the sense that I appreciated the densely packed information in the article. I also agree that the article notes that being well-educated is important in any diet. Vegetarianism has the potential to be a very healthy diet, as long as the Vegetarian understands what he or she needs to consume in order to obtain necessary nutrients.
Meg Maclean
9/24/2013 03:05:24 pm
Michaela,
Meg Maclean
9/24/2013 02:56:00 pm
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Michaela O'Rourke
9/24/2013 04:24:20 pm
Meg, I really like the third question you brought up. I'd already seen Super Size me so when we watched Fat Head I was completely thrown for a curveball. Now after doing some research on Fat Head, I'm realizing that maybe not all of those facts were accurate either. All this is great, but has kind of brought down my spirits as it now just feels like all the information we're being told is potentially a lie. It would definitely be very interesting to find out what credible sources are out there that have no hidden agendas or biases, and are simply there to divulge facts.
Zachary Parker
9/24/2013 03:10:30 pm
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Julia Golovchanova
9/23/2013 02:52:33 pm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-2159331/Bionic-eye-help-blind-thanks-camera-glasses-wafer-chip.html
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Julia Golovchanova
9/24/2013 03:21:12 am
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Sarah Gehman
9/24/2013 04:57:36 am
I believe you're right than the blind community would react differently to new technology than the deaf community acted regarding the implants. I think they would be much more open to the possibilities seeing as deaf people can still get by on their own, while blindness is a difficult disability that requires lots of assistance.
Sarah Gehman
9/24/2013 05:06:10 am
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Rebecca Alberts
9/24/2013 07:06:22 am
I liked your first question. I had thought of that one too. If it is meant solely for people who had lost their vision or bad been born blind. When I thought of that anatomically speaking I wonder if it would depend on why the person was blind whether it had to do with the eyeball or the connectors to the brain. The bionic eye may be able to fix the eyeball problem but not the connector to the brain. Though it is in its beginning stages I agree that people will want to bring it around the world to help people out.
Rebecca Alberts
9/24/2013 07:15:01 am
In reply to Sarah Gehman.
Jakob Granlund
9/24/2013 09:04:11 am
I totally agree that blind people would react different to the possibility of getting their vision back, than deaf people would on getting their hearing back. Blindness takes way more assistance in the daily life than deafness. It is also harder for a blind person to find a job, than it is for a deaf person, since in most job you need your vision.
Rebecca Alberts
9/24/2013 07:00:21 am
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Melissa Nelsen
9/24/2013 04:00:47 pm
Rebecca I completely agree with you on the fact that war veterans would benefit from this new technology. I am curious though is there a culture for the blind like there is for the deaf? The blind are so different in what senses they amplify within their daily lives in comparison to the blind yet they both have the same sort of shunning from the culture of modern day.
Jakob Granlund
9/24/2013 09:23:10 am
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Jack Allenbaugh
9/25/2013 04:15:23 am
Jakob, I agree with your point that the bionic eye might only be available to the richest people in society. It sounds like a very high-tech device that would need a complex surgery to use. I think though that the technology would advance pretty fast like many other inventions which might drive the price down a little more reasonably.
Aaron McQuerter
9/23/2013 03:17:09 pm
http://children.webmd.com/news/20100420/cochlear-implants-for-kids-earlier-surgery-works-best
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Ericka Moreno
9/23/2013 03:37:40 pm
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Aaron McQuerter
9/23/2013 03:44:41 pm
I would agree, if parents find out that their child is deaf, they need to act fast if they want to get the full benefit out of the implant.
Jack Morello
9/24/2013 08:42:07 am
Right with you on the questions, I'm very interested in the study they did.
Cade Miller
9/24/2013 12:54:11 pm
I also have the question of how is the implant evolving? Is their new technology that can make it smaller and more compact?
Melissa Nelsen
9/24/2013 03:52:34 pm
My question is where do families go from after having a cochlear? Is there a group of possibly adults who now have cochlear implants and work on speech and talk about how they deal with the new change together? Kind of like a support group only different
Aaron McQuerter
9/23/2013 03:40:26 pm
Questions: What are Cochlear Implants? Can early implants close the language gap between the deaf and the hearing? Is the implant a cure for deafness?
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Ericka Moreno
9/24/2013 04:16:51 am
Aaron, I felt the same way after reading this article, the study results really showed how important it is to get the implant early. While watching the original film I didn't really understand the urgency for Peter to get the implant while so young but after learning that between 6 and 12 months is the most crucial time for learning I understand why it was such a rush. I thought that Heather would have gotten full benefits from the implant at age 5 but according to this she would have even been older than the recommended age to receive it at.
Jack Morello
9/24/2013 08:32:17 am
I had the same reaction Aaron, it is very important to get the child implanted earlier. My little sister was implanted at a very young age and we mainstreamed her and she never had any problems. It was very successful because of my parents' quick decision making. Most people don't even know about her cochlear implant.
Luke Johnson
9/24/2013 02:18:37 pm
I wonder what the hearing is like with the cochlear implant. Whether it has the same ranges and sensitivities as the human ear and whether things sound the same or if there is some sort of distortion.
Jack Morello
9/24/2013 08:28:57 am
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Aaron McQuerter
9/24/2013 11:38:21 am
Similar questions arose for me as well. Like how was the test conducted? was it all kids from the same town, school, or area? or was it all throughout the US? or even the world?
Ericka Moreno
9/24/2013 12:08:19 pm
Jack, the article explains how parents need to work with their kids who receive the cochlear implant, did your parents need to spend extra time helping your sister with speaking/did she go to a special class, or was the education she got in a normal school enough?
Cade Miller
9/24/2013 12:50:26 pm
I know I am a little late to the game but I would also like to know whether the cochlear implant is used all around the world or mainly focused in the United States. I also have the same questions for Jack as Ericka. What was the process that your family went through in getting her the cochlear implant?
Luke Johnson
9/24/2013 02:16:20 pm
I'm left wondering is how this study can apply to other language based studies. We've all been told it's easier to learn a language younger. Does this mean that the brain teaches it self language first and then moves on to more complex things because of the new language learning device?
Anna Lague
9/23/2013 03:26:11 pm
This is our article http://abcnews.go.com/Health/CancerPreventionAndTreatment/story?id=7941489&page=1, the article is relevant because it highlights the link between Pancreatic cancer and saturated fat intake, and that there is in fact a link between these to factors. The source is reliable because it is from ABCNews which is a dominant source of news in world, and the author of the article is also a staff writer for a medical journal which establishes his credibility.
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Nathan Long
9/23/2013 04:21:54 pm
Fatty Diet Linked to Pancreatic Cancer
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Anna Lague
9/24/2013 01:31:14 am
Nate I agree with your reaction to the article. I originally thought it was kind of shady when Naughton was suggesting that saturated fats could actually be beneficial to a persons diet. I think it is important that we don't load ourselves up on saturated fats but if we want to indulge in them every once in a while I don't see an issue with that either. After reading your questions I was also quite interested in how much saturated fat would be "too much" and increase my risk for cancer.
Bailey Essig
9/25/2013 01:00:51 am
Nate I agree with your reaction as well. I found it very weird when Naughton tried to say that saturated fats could be beneficial to your health. I believe it’s acceptable to consume saturated fats as long as it is not a regular thing and done in moderation. I am curious however as to how much saturated fat is “too much”.
Anna Lague
9/24/2013 01:26:14 am
The article raised a number of questions for me, including:
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Jennifer Lucian
9/24/2013 03:34:26 am
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Nathan Long
9/24/2013 08:22:27 am
Anna,
Anna Lague
9/24/2013 12:05:38 pm
Ok so I'm actually replying to Jenn but I don't know how to do that since she had replied to my post. Anyway, I think Jenn raised a great point in asking what the overall cost was to Naughton's health. I like to know all the facts about things, and I feel that a lot more questions about how his overall health could have been answered.
Bailey Essig
9/24/2013 03:15:43 am
After reading this article I was left with several questions:
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Nathan Long
9/24/2013 07:14:54 am
Bailey,
Bailey Essig
9/25/2013 01:04:50 am
So this is in response to Nate’s reply to my post. I agree that as long as we don’t overindulge ourselves in saturated fats, it is acceptable to consume them. I want to look more closely and see what is an “acceptable” amount to consume without crossing over any health lines.
Mariah Minder
9/23/2013 04:26:53 pm
The link to our article is: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2997660/pdf/hpb0012-0546.pdf
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Lucia L
9/24/2013 03:34:46 am
-If Kris Carr hadn't been so progressive in searching for a doctor, would she have ended up going through aggressive medical treatments?
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Eden Laase
9/24/2013 11:34:53 am
I totally agree that she may not have survived if she had gone with an aggressive treatment!
Joshua Hoidn
9/24/2013 12:38:37 pm
I also agree. Both with the article being difficult to understand and her possibility of dying from aggressive treatment. Since the doctor did tell her that it was an unusual case of cancer it was probably best for her not to do aggressive treatment.
Mariah Minder
9/25/2013 03:09:50 am
I don't know if I agree with that. I think her cancer wasn't super active and the people in the study who died's probably was. In the study I think that people who died a year after their treatment, probably lived longer than they would have had they not done anything or a more holistic model. I am skeptical that Kris's holistic method kept her alive. I think the cancer will eventually become active.
Shannon Liska
9/24/2013 03:50:46 am
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Eden Laase
9/24/2013 11:29:33 am
I agree that it is so hard to tell what kind of treatment is best. I think after watching "Crazy Sexy Cancer" and reading this article that there is no good or bad way to go about treatment. It is just whatever the patient feels most comfortable with.
Joshua Hoidn
9/24/2013 01:18:02 pm
I agree. It is really hard to determine what kind of treatment will work since there hasn't been one method proven to work. Typically it is best to get some kind of treatment done since doing nothing is usually even worse. I also agree that each patient should be thoroughly evaluated before they are given options for treatment because everyones case of cancer is different
Mariah Minder
9/25/2013 03:17:13 am
I definitely agree with you Shannon, every treatment should be judged on a case by case basis. Because Shannon wasn't experiencing symptoms (that we saw) from her cancer yet it makes since to wait until the tumors are growing and effecting her liver and lung function. In my opinion she wasn't a good candidate for any of the procedures because the cancer had spread to her lungs which means it can spread anywhere, so even if she got all the tumors out of her liver (by resection or transplant) they could still come back. With a terminal disease like this it makes more sense to chase the symptoms as they come and try to prolong her life that way because there is no cure.
Mariah Minder
9/24/2013 04:27:16 am
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Lucia L
9/24/2013 10:34:10 am
One of the questions I had after watching the documentary, was whether or not Kris was in a lot of pain. She seemed to have quite a few tumor tan those with a lot of tumors didn't seem to end up well according to the article.She may have been in some pain, but they might not have show any footage. I think that she would have been more likely to try more aggressive treatments if she was in immediate, critical pain.
Shannon Liska
9/24/2013 02:27:23 pm
I also wonder how much the cancer was affecting Kris' daily life, and if her liver was fully functioning. If the cancer had affected the function of her liver of lung I wonder if a more aggressive form of treatment would have been more acceptable or thought-out. I agree that the article makes me think a lot about the choices I would make. My mom has had skin cancer and my aunt breast cancer, and it was really difficult watching them go through such a difficult time in their lives. Cancer really does rattle lives.
Eden Laase
9/24/2013 04:36:28 am
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Lucia L
9/24/2013 12:08:21 pm
I think that if Kris was diagnosed with a more common kind of cancer, she would have been less likely to try the alternative methods. If she had gotten breast cancer, for example, she could have easily done chemotherapy. And I agree, there isn't a right or wrong way to go about it. There are so many treatment options nowadays and hopefully many more options to be discovered.
Joshua Hoidn
9/24/2013 01:10:15 pm
1. Why didn't Kris want to do aggressive treatment?
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Shannon Liska
9/24/2013 02:23:27 pm
I agree with you that this made me think a lot about me own life. What would happen if I got cancer? It definitely makes me put my life into perspective and makes me treasure the things I have in my life. I also wonder why Kris didn't get aggressive treatment, as it seemed to help the people in the case study.
Mariah Minder
9/25/2013 03:21:36 am
I am kind of thinking she was just really lucky, I am not convinced that she has overcome it yet. 9/23/2013 04:32:02 pm
http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/chemotherapy-versus-death-from-cancer/
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Sarah Shattuck
9/24/2013 01:27:34 am
http://jdsde.oxfordjournals.org/content/11/1/102.full
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Sarah Shattuck
9/24/2013 01:38:13 am
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Melissa Nelsen
9/24/2013 07:24:59 am
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2011/aug/05/deaf-people-cochlear-implants
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Melissa Nelsen
9/24/2013 07:58:56 am
This article is relevant as a counterargument for having all children receive cochlear implants because they mention and explain that this procedure is not always the best plan for everyone.
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Sarah Shattuck
9/24/2013 10:51:19 am
I think it is interesting that the article states that cochlear implants are being accepted into the deaf community which is not shown in the documentary. Rather, the opposite is shown, with the deaf culture uprising against the technology concluding that it is an insult to the deafness and it will eventually cause the die out of the culture.
Brad Mulderink
9/24/2013 03:52:58 pm
Why did the author only include people that had hearing before they became deaf in their examples of people who got implants? Were there not any good examples of people who were completely deaf from birth and then got implants?
Karl Reutter
9/24/2013 04:02:28 pm
Yeah I like how the article mentioned, that it is time consuming getting the implants, and maintaining them. I believe this article was towards the deaf community not hating the implants, but they don't like how many people always push this idea on them. I personally don't believe many people treat deaf people like they are stupid, but they don't fully understand their situation, which may make it appear as treating them as inferiors or stupid. I believe this article did a good job of suggesting that people should accept deaf people, because they are not broken or disillusioned.
Connor O'Flaherty
9/24/2013 11:48:30 am
This article really brought something u that I had not even thought of before. The deaf community shown in the video completely shuns the idea of cochlear implants, but it never showed the full debate within the community. For all I know they took a small snippet from a group of people who did not approve of cochlear implants. This video we saw by no means speaks for the deaf community like I previously thought it did. I also did not realize the process to fix and maintain the cochlear implants were so complicated.
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Sarah Shattuck
9/24/2013 12:07:36 pm
Connor, I completely agree with you. The documentary made it seem like the entire deaf community was completely against the idea of cochlear implants. However, this article made me realize that there are many deaf people who want the ability to hear for simple things like music.
Karl Reutter
9/24/2013 03:35:15 pm
I agree with you as well Connor, the article brought different ideas, some arguing against the video. The video we watched, deaf people hated the cochlear implants, however in the article it was more open ended. It really depends on the person getting the implant, on whether or not they should go through with it. As Sarah said cost restrictions prevent some people from getting the implants. For other people it may be their beliefs, which the video strongly emphasized.
Bailey Russell
9/24/2013 04:28:04 pm
In regards to our groups issue I have three main questions.
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Nate Porer
9/25/2013 03:36:23 am
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9/25/2013 04:29:28 am
After reading our article, I have come up with a few questions:
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